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GN[US Open Round 1 - 2008 US Go Congress - Mungwan Kim (8p) - Xingshuo Liu (7d)]PW[Mungwan Kim]PB[Xingshuo Liu]WR[8p]BR[7d]DT[2008-08-03]EV[US Open]RO[1]PC[The KGS Go Server at http://www.gokgs.com/]US[Tom Hodges]C[YangX [4d\]: how strong are these players?
USGO5 [-\]: I am the recorder (tom hodges or drgoplayer)
mahatma [2k\]: Just a little comment: isn't it spelled Myungwan?
USGO5 [-\]: the games should be starting soon.  we are in a room with 30 boards for the top players
YangX [4d\]: 8p??
USGO5 [-\]: i will check the spelling when i see him
crazyhorse [2d?\]: (it's spelt in Korean anyway)
Violence [?\]: oh wow
yhhonebay [3k\]: is kim 8p from korea?
Violence [?\]: Myungwan Kim vs xliu
chunga [8d\]: Oh, Myung Wan is here
GaretJax [7k\]: This should be exciting, I will be rooting for the underdog, since I know Xingshuo
crazyhorse [2d?\]: I thought so, am I wrong?
mahatma [2k\]: well i'm thinking along the lines of a korean romanization
USGO5 [-\]: Xingshuo Liu is 18.  Applied math student in Chicago, sophmore.  She has been in the US for 2 years
chunga [8d\]: It should be Myung Wan Kim
yhhonebay [3k\]: not often can see 8p rank in usa tourny...
crazyhorse [2d?\]: yeah, I'm just being pedantic :)
BigPhenix [3d\]: and took the pro exam 2 weeks ago ....
Violence [?\]: Currently engaged to Don Allison, who is also at Congress
mahatma [2k\]: ;D
Ryuk [5k\]: !
Richdad [5d\]: Really BigPhenix? did he pass?
BigPhenix [3d\]: she
BigPhenix [3d\]: no she didn't
GaretJax [7k\]: She, and no
Violence [?\]: She won 3 games before being forced to drop out
YangX [4d\]: how many did u need to win?
Richdad [5d\]: why forced?
Violence [?\]: There were 12 round, I believe
Violence [?\]: you can only go until you lose 5
YangX [4d\]: icic
BigPhenix [3d\]: you need to be in the top 2 i belive , or top 3
GaretJax [7k\]: for pro exam you have to be better than pretty much everone there
Violence [?\]: then you cannot participate
crazyhorse [2d?\]: is Xingshuo Chemboy's girlfriend?
Violence [?\]: Fiance, crazy
crazyhorse [2d?\]: oh well, close :)
crazyhorse [2d?\]: cheers :)
USGO5 [-\]: Welcome to the 2008 US Open, broadcasting live from Portland, Oregon! The Open is being held at the US Go Congress and features one of the strongest fields in North America.  The games are being broadcast by the American Go E-Journal; free go news from around the world, delivered free via email; sign up at www.usgo.org
Richdad [5d\]: Why was she forced to drop out?
BigPhenix [3d\]: because of a loss
USGO5 [-\]: Welcome to the 2008 US Open, broadcasting live from Portland, Oregon!
Violence [?\]: Thank you for broadcasting
Violence [?\]: she was 3-5
Richdad [5d\]: ah she lsot
crazyhorse [2d?\]: yes, thanks USGO, appreciate it
USGO5 [-\]: The Open is being held at the US Go Congress and features one of the strongest fields in North America.
BigPhenix [3d\]: and hen she resigned to her friend, whom had less losses so as to give her a better chance
USGO5 [-\]: The games are being broadcast by the American Go E-Journal; free go news from around the world, delivered free via email; sign up at www.usgo.org
yhhonebay [3k\]: i just need double confirmation that kim is 8p and how old is kim?
chunga [8d\]: Myung Wan is arguably the strongest player in the US Congress
GaretJax [7k\]: Chunga, I thought a 9p was there?
AutoAtari [3k?\]: this will be a teaching game?
chunga [8d\]: Myung Wan is a freind of mine, 
BigPhenix [3d\]: don't underestimate liui
BigPhenix [3d\]: liu
chunga [8d\]: He was the top 8 at Sam Sung World Championship in 2005
YangX [4d\]: did he just come to USA 2 play in us open?
Richdad [5d\]: Thats a pro cup Chung?
Richdad [5d\]: chunga*
chunga [8d\]: That's one of the biggest pro  World Championship
Richdad [5d\]: Thanks
Richdad [5d\]: I think samsung had an amateur cup also, im not sure
chunga [8d\]: maybe, 
Richdad [5d\]: So you root for him?
chunga [8d\]: but Myung Wan is strong young Korean pro
Richdad [5d\]: how old is he?
chunga [8d\]: recently moved to LA
chunga [8d\]: He is 30
shika12 [-\]: *cheers for xingshuo*
chunga [8d\]: This game should be a good teaching game^^
AutoAtari [3k?\]: when will it start?
Equitsumei [-\]: she wont stand against kim myung wan
shika12 [-\]: :(
shika12 [-\]: cmon chunga >.>
shika12 [-\]: lighten up a little
shika12 [-\]: cheer for your fello amatuer!
chunga [8d\]: hehe, KMW is one of my best friend in LA
chunga [8d\]: ^^
chunga [8d\]: I also learn from him a lot
USGO5 [-\]: they are setting the clock and started
]RE[W+Resign]
;B[pd]
;W[dp]C[kyuboy [9k\]: go xing shou
kehan [1k\]: *applause*
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;B[pq]C[kyuboy [9k\]: and ming jiu better win his game >.<
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;W[dd]C[AutoAtari [3k?\]: I hope he loses
kyuboy [9k\]: no
chunga [8d\]: Ming Ju vs Myung Wan should be exciting match up
kyuboy [9k\]: he must win!@
kyuboy [9k\]: my sensei must win!!!!
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;B[fq]C[kyuboy [9k\]: >.<
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;W[cn]C[BigPhenix [3d\]: Kim might have pressure, he is the best rankked player at USGO after all, he must be thinking he can't allow a loss
YangX [4d\]: he seems responding to the moves pretty fast
Violence [?\]: This is normal stuff
chunga [8d\]: No doubt, Myung Wan is the strongest, but it depends on how he handles the pressure
Fredrik [6d?\]: I think a top pro can handle the pressure :)
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;B[jp]C[USGO5 [-\]: both are calm and serious
beeko [-\]: The best way to play
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;W[pn]C[BigPhenix [3d\]: probably, but it's not the same kind of pressure as if there were some stronger players than him
Equitsumei [-\]: she won't cause him troub le can be calm. .
AutoAtari [3k?\]: any picture?
crazyhorse [2d?\]: R4 my guess
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;B[qo]C[crazyhorse [2d?\]: oh, she went for this line :)
shika12 [-\]: yes she'll cause him loads of trouble is my bet
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;W[qi]C[BigPhenix [3d\]: very fast
Cimmerian [3d\]: all standard so far tho
Cimmerian [3d\]: no surprise
crazyhorse [2d?\]: very common fuseki
AutoAtari [3k?\]: r11 normal?
Violence [?\]: Every pro always has their own prepared tactic for most common fuseki
Violence [?\]: Like Chinese, Kobayashi, or Mini Chinese
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;B[qf]
;W[qn]
;B[po]C[Equitsumei [-\]: this is common still
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;W[on]C[avatar1 [2d?\]: w good here
Violence [?\]: no, it's normal
crazyhorse [2d?\]: this is what I don't like about this line, white has influence
crazyhorse [2d?\]: and sente
karui [6d\]: i dont like r14
avatar1 [2d?\]: b r6 instead of r14 was better ?
AutoAtari [3k?\]: n4
Uberdude [2d\]: r3 will be a fun probe later
crazyhorse [2d?\]: problem with R6 is that then Q6 can be treated as a kikashi
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;B[oo]
;W[nn]C[Uberdude [2d\]: oh this is not normal
Cimmerian [3d\]: i think this favours white
Uberdude [2d\]: because helps w a bit much?
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;B[lp]C[crazyhorse [2d?\]: O6?  ::)
Uberdude [2d\]: h3 and r3
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;W[jc]C[Uberdude [2d\]: thought i suppose p6 makes r3 less danger
jia9d [2d\]: b move too slow
jia9d [2d\]: P5 to R5 were bad
chunga [8d\]: B is a little defensive
Cimmerian [3d\]: p17 now, to stay consistent :o
jia9d [2d\]: redundant
Cimmerian [3d\]: if c14, i wonder if w will use the sweep
beeko [-\]: This is going on now?
USGO5 [-\]: this is live
Uberdude [2d\]: cool this w will play mogo on a supercomputer
karui [6d\]: chunga q5 better than r14?
Uberdude [2d\]: 19x19 masacre
apachai31k [-\]: what tournament is that?
beeko [-\]: wow cool
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;B[cf]C[GaretJax [7k\]: It is being broadcast thrusday
karui [6d\]: r11 is ideal now...
jia9d [2d\]: w good so far
Sotham [1d\]: you know Uberdude, mogo almost beaten Catalin 5p on 19x19 with 9H, before going crazy
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;W[be]C[WinnieLand [20k?\]: hello
Cimmerian [3d\]: sweet
Cimmerian [3d\]: my favourite move
proutozore: almost beaten = lost.
Cimmerian [3d\]: b cannot win now
apachai31k [-\]: lost with 9 handim whats so good about that?
proutozore: nothing
chunga [8d\]: B is still ok, but I prefer to have W
karui [6d\]: me too
jia9d [2d\]: if you look, k4 to s5 it just too slow
GaretJax [7k\]: b just very solid
Equitsumei [-\]: all normal, but w faster, b tends to be too heav y
BigPhenix [3d\]: you sid that 3 times already, jia9d
jia9d [2d\]: i did not say k4 to m4
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;B[di]C[jia9d [2d\]: i was saying p5 to r5
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;W[ck]C[Violence [?\]: What is black doing... I can't understand
Cimmerian [3d\]: there is no joseki after b15
jia9d [2d\]: b is not like 7d play?
chunga [8d\]: I don't like D11 much since W c9 is very good
Uberdude [2d\]: instead d17?
Cimmerian [3d\]: no move is joseki.. d17 neither
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;B[fc]C[Uberdude [2d\]: or f17?
Cimmerian [3d\]: all these moves lead to split
Uberdude [2d\]: there is nothing that great to tenuki for
GaretJax [7k\]: maybe d11 was for f17 so it would have something to jump for?
Uberdude [2d\]: p17 maybe or f5
jia9d [2d\]: F16?
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;W[ec]C[Uberdude [2d\]: e17
Uberdude [2d\]: f16 e14 
Cimmerian [3d\]: easy fight for w
Uberdude [2d\]: standard shape here
jia9d [2d\]: learn 
jia9d [2d\]: e17?
jia9d [2d\]: corner quite big though
Cimmerian [3d\]: not just big, w can attack after
Cimmerian [3d\]: unless b has new plan in mind, the result will be miserable
jia9d [2d\]: what is good move for b now?
jia9d [2d\]: any comment?
Bloch [10k\]: http://senseis.xmp.net/?Mymy   Can someone tell me if this game aagainst Mogo is going ahead?
shika12 [-\]: none that may be repeated jia
chunga [8d\]: I think B has no choice now
mahatma [2k\]: i think the game is but its on august 7
jia9d [2d\]: E15?
mitani7: f15
sweety [-\]: Bolch, pls see the MOTD
jia9d [2d\]: waht about e15?
Bloch [10k\]: yes, here are the details according to usgo's ejournal.. he will go against Mogo on a 3000+ node computer.
Cimmerian [3d\]: e15 will juts make w cut off f17 completely
Cimmerian [3d\]: too easygoing
Bloch [10k\]: What is MOTD please?
mitani7: f16
sweety [-\]: the Message of the day
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;B[fe]C[Bloch [10k\]: thx
jia9d [2d\]: f16 will be disaster for b
jia9d [2d\]: too heavy
Cimmerian [3d\]: i wonder, will it e14 now, or something else
jia9d [2d\]: f15 not bad
mitani7: like i said
jia9d [2d\]: seem f15 is the best move for b so far 
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;W[df]C[chunga [8d\]: B is trying to make B heavier
chunga [8d\]: sorry, w is trying
mitani7: k17 can be Very dangerous for b
jia9d [2d\]: E18?
mitani7: c13
jia9d [2d\]: don't escape, make it alive locally
peterchris [3k\]: is C15 interesting for B?
mitani7: what the best move for b
jia9d [2d\]: e18, comment?
mitani7: c13
chunga [8d\]: This game is easy to play for W, but difficult to play for B
mitani7: 8p
chunga [8d\]: good for B that B has 2 hours
BigPhenix [3d\]: maybe c17 ?
jia9d [2d\]: chunga, since you have the highest rank, what will be you move now?
mitani7: c15
chunga [8d\]: it's difficult
jia9d [2d\]: well
AutoAtari [3k?\]: resign
jia9d [2d\]: if you were b, you have to move instead of resign
chunga [8d\]: I could try C17
jia9d [2d\]: ok
jia9d [2d\]: i was thinking about it as well
jia9d [2d\]: thanks
chunga [8d\]: anyway, I wouldn't try to save c14 now
Richdad [5d\]: i am looking at E18, but im not sure about ws answer at F16.
chunga [8d\]: I am not going to do D13 for sure
Richdad [5d\]: the idea behind E18 is: e18 d18 c15 
BigPhenix [3d\]: probe the pro at c17 and see how he reacts to the test :p
chunga [8d\]: hard to make comments on this game since W is a lot better than me
Uberdude [2d\]: probe could be a bad one though
Cimmerian [3d\]: by the time b moves, w will have everything figured out
mitani7: chunga why c17
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;B[dg]C[Cimmerian [3d\]: oh man
Richdad [5d\]: oh
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;W[ef]
;B[ce]C[jia9d [2d\]: ?
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;W[cd]C[Nouli [-\]: I have a noobish question : B D18 and C16 are really bad ?
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;B[bf]C[jia9d [2d\]: ok
jia9d [2d\]: ?
chunga [8d\]: B is getting heavier
Cimmerian [3d\]: b decided to settle in the heaveiest way
karui [6d\]: maybe he wants to play e16,but he wont have time
Almdudler [3d\]: xliu is aga 7d? :o
bleep [3d?\]: b is split up, so white will get some advantage out of that
chuiunrate: h3 or o17 ?
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;W[eg]C[chunga [8d\]: I just don't like what B is doing
chunga [8d\]: a little too defensive 
beeko [-\]: The pressure is getting to her i guess
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;B[dh]C[jia9d [2d\]: Lee chunghoo likes c14 e14 and e13
mitani7: f9
jia9d [2d\]: d14 e14 and e13
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;W[eb]C[jia9d [2d\]: b is not alive completely yet
GaretJax [7k\]: USGO5, what is the rank of the weakest player in the strong players room?
northstar [2d\]: 1d
Richdad [5d\]: D11 is left bad positioned
GaretJax [7k\]: northstar, really?
Violence [?\]: The weakest player in the strong player's room is usually 6-7d
GaretJax [7k\]: thx Violence
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;B[ie]C[GaretJax [7k\]: Was wondering if Jon might be in there
Violence [?\]: Ah, no way
jer [4d\]: level is so high this year
Violence [?\]: he's in the auditorium with the rest of them.
YangX [4d\]: Is ricky zhao there?
Violence [?\]: Yeah, Ricky's in there
jer [4d\]: strange move
Violence [?\]: entered as 7d
konick [8k\]: Xingshuo 
YangX [4d\]: so....im geussing yeah?
Violence [?\]: yes, he is
jer [4d\]: dame?
konick [8k\]: Xingshuo Liu is 7d amauter ?
Violence [?\]: And the Open field this year is very nice, I agree
Violence [?\]: Yes, she is
Violence [?\]: she plays on KGS as Xliu
Almdudler [3d\]: how strong would kgs 3d be in aga?
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;W[je]C[Violence [?\]: Depends, hard to compare online and offline rank
Almdudler [3d\]: I see :o
GaretJax [7k\]: I think it isnt' always comparable, especially at Dan level
Violence [?\]: but could be between 4-5d AGA, I think
jer [4d\]: w is enjoying this figh
jer [4d\]: t
hakky [-\]: mungwan kim is a girl
GaretJax [7k\]: kgs usually not as serious as aga playing since real life just lends it self to more serious play
Almdudler [3d\]: really easy game for w..
jer [4d\]: b making 2 weak groups
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;B[jf]
;W[ke]
;B[id]C[jer [4d\]: cut
chunga [8d\]: W e18 was very calm
chunga [8d\]: and solid
jer [4d\]: and big
Richdad [5d\]: it feels a "this is enough" move
jia9d [2d\]: e18
jia9d [2d\]: hmmm
hakky [-\]: i tought e-18 was just a nobi
crazyhorse [2d?\]: actually, I like black here, black can Q17 preparing to attack the white stones
jia9d [2d\]: it can easily contact with k17 and attack as well
crazyhorse [2d?\]: practically sente
jia9d [2d\]: attach what group?
jia9d [2d\]: attack what group?
Almdudler [3d\]: j16 is bad imo
Cimmerian [3d\]: hard to forego another move in the area like j16 tho
Cimmerian [3d\]: thats teh shape point
Nouli [-\]: what's are W possibilities ? the cut at J14 and H17 ?
Almdudler [3d\]: can b handle the cut? :p
Cimmerian [3d\]: yea,i dont think w would cut yet
Nouli [-\]: -s
jia9d [2d\]: h7 will be bad
jia9d [2d\]: h17
AutoAtari [3k?\]: j17
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;W[ob]C[Nouli [-\]: too small to play under black ?
jia9d [2d\]: ma xiao chun
jia9d [2d\]: move
Email [5k\]: w owns :O
mitani7: p18 can be good
jia9d [2d\]: i guess ma xiao chun will say so
Nouli [-\]: a 8p played p18 :p
GaretJax [7k\]: heh
GaretJax [7k\]: p18 is tricksy
chuiunrate: t1 
jia9d [2d\]: i guess it just feel hard to attack, 
Daisetsu [-\]: P18 is normal o_O
jia9d [2d\]: not risky at all
northstar [2d\]: b q18
jia9d [2d\]: since w always has option to make g18
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;B[jd]C[chunga [8d\]: P18 seems like pro move
mitani7: where b can play?
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;W[kd]
;B[kc]C[jia9d [2d\]: k17 small
jia9d [2d\]: very very small
Email [5k\]: my proffesional kibitz sense tells me that whie wins by 14.5 points
jia9d [2d\]: since w can make g18
jia9d [2d\]: is m17 good?
chunga [8d\]: I am trying to see What B will do if W J17
mitani7: k18?
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;W[lc]
;B[kb]C[slinky [-\]: wow xliu is playing a pro
slinky [-\]: o_O GO XLIU!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!
northstar [2d\]: m178
jia9d [2d\]: n16?
apachai31k [-\]: k18
Email [5k\]: m18
chunga [8d\]: k18???
chunga [8d\]: not sure thou
mitani7: k18
apachai31k [-\]: ladder good for w y not?
jia9d [2d\]: ok
jia9d [2d\]: k18
Richdad [5d\]: k18 doesnt seem possible
jia9d [2d\]: i like n16
Cimmerian [3d\]: w could give up k17 and just attack top right
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;W[qc]C[jia9d [2d\]: then r17
slinky [-\]: nice!
jia9d [2d\]: wow
Email [5k\]: oooooooooh
slinky [-\]: great move
boldmonkey [1k\]: ?
jia9d [2d\]: i was late
Email [5k\]: amazing
Richdad [5d\]: w has many snete moves around o17
AutoAtari [3k?\]: why not m18 first?
jia9d [2d\]: it make earlier than i thought
Cimmerian [3d\]: why m18 first? thats juts fixing aji
slinky [-\]: m18 not important
Richdad [5d\]: but he gave up a lot to get them
Uberdude [2d\]: AutoAtari, it is a bad sente
slinky [-\]: thats kyu thinking!
chunga [8d\]: W doesn't want to make the upper group heavy
slinky [-\]: but wow
jia9d [2d\]: what is snete?
Violence [?\]: bold move
Uberdude [2d\]: n17 might be more useful
Cimmerian [3d\]: this way, maybe b will give w l18 while trying to live
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;B[lb]C[northstar [2d\]: really ma xiao chun
slinky [-\]: nobody expected taht
Uberdude [2d\]: or o17
Email [5k\]: oooh
slinky [-\]: >> wow!
Cimmerian [3d\]: r16? :)
AutoAtari [3k?\]: that's why m18 first
slinky [-\]: they are fighting!
Email [5k\]: aaaaah!
boldmonkey [1k\]: yes i was expecting that
northstar [2d\]: now w pay for it
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;W[qd]C[Cimmerian [3d\]: r16, n17, q15 seems good for w
jia9d [2d\]: see pro play
Email [5k\]: aaaaaaaaaaah
Cimmerian [3d\]: and if b reply here, n17 is good for w then
slinky [-\]: o17?
Email [5k\]: crazy moves :D
jia9d [2d\]: r16 is pro 
mitani7: not good for b
boldmonkey [1k\]: white gonna win
boldmonkey [1k\]: black should resign
mitani7: now
Neospring [4k\]: pretend he resigned and just leave boldmonkey
chunga [8d\]: W is trying to just win
jia9d [2d\]: fight q10
chunga [8d\]: not agressive
boldmonkey [1k\]: neospring u should resing and leave
Richdad [5d\]: i feel the same chunga
Richdad [5d\]: i fear that playing like that can lead to complications for him
chunga [8d\]: If i were W, I would consider to save K17
boldmonkey [1k\]: n17 
slinky [-\]: this is a hard follow up
boldmonkey [1k\]: n17 its the kami no itte
slinky [-\]: O.o
Cimmerian [3d\]: n17, q15.. easy for w
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;B[pe]C[boldmonkey [1k\]: q15 s bad later
Email [5k\]: ooooooooooh!! :O
Cimmerian [3d\]: and now n17, hahaha
slinky [-\]: ok a basic attatchment
jia9d [2d\]: n17
boldmonkey [1k\]: omaahhgaaahh
Cimmerian [3d\]: this is so easy for w
cod [10k\]: what dose that winner st win this cont
Email [5k\]: I sense kami no itte
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;W[nc]C[cod [10k\]: what dose the winner of this contest win
boldmonkey [1k\]: wow
chunga [8d\]: Q15 looks very heavy for me
boldmonkey [1k\]: what a move
Cimmerian [3d\]: oh, my shapes are too weak
Email [5k\]: oooooooooh
Email [5k\]: excellent move
slinky [-\]: XD cimmerian
boldmonkey [1k\]: ohhhhhhh maaay doog
jia9d [2d\]: o17 is better than n17
Cimmerian [3d\]: apparently
Email [5k\]: indeed
boldmonkey [1k\]: black have to choose
jia9d [2d\]: that is difference between ama and pro
slinky [-\]: Cimmerian [2d\]: i want to bear tartrate's man children
Bloch [10k\]: W keeps up pressure fon top right group to build territory around Q9
Email [5k\]: w will win
slinky [-\]: nu uh!
slinky [-\]: xliu will win!
Email [5k\]: i bet 2 dollars w win
boldmonkey [1k\]: hobo bet
slinky [-\]: ffffffff only 2?
northstar [2d\]: b has to think about the for 3 stones
boldmonkey [1k\]: i bet 1000dollars
Email [5k\]: ok, i bet my cat too
Uberdude [2d\]: oh this w is mymy
slinky [-\]: >:) ill eat your cat
Uberdude [2d\]: beat tartrate
jia9d [2d\]: b win unless Mungwan make Nie9d move in late stage
chunga [8d\]: maybe N 15
Richdad [5d\]: q15 feels heavy
slinky [-\]: i like chunga's idea
Richdad [5d\]: i think simply n17 was better
Email [5k\]: its under attack
slinky [-\]: o was thinking p12 to put pressure on that right group but im probably wrong
boldmonkey [1k\]: yes
slinky [-\]: :D
slinky [-\]: USGO5!!!! how much time do each players have?!?!?!
Email [5k\]: ^
slinky [-\]: >>?
slinky [-\]: usgo is bieng a meany T.T 
boldmonkey [1k\]: about 5 days
northstar [2d\]: b l14 
]
;B[ld]C[GaretJax [7k\]: They each started with 2 hours
jer [4d\]: o14 go :D
Email [5k\]: ooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooh!!! ;IO
GaretJax [7k\]: they must have a decent amount still left
slinky [-\]: >> ohhhhh a bold cut!
USGO5 [-\]: about 1.5 hours left each
slinky [-\]: thank you :D
apachai31k [-\]: o15
USGO5 [-\]: i cant see his clock
jer [4d\]: o14 more style
]
;W[ne]C[apachai31k [-\]: oh i meant o15 misstype >>
apachai31k [-\]: ah thats what i typed
apachai31k [-\]: nvm >>
jer [4d\]: you're stronger than me :p
apachai31k [-\]: :)
jer [4d\]: (or i'm stronger than kim)
jer [4d\]: xD
Daisetsu [-\]: tu reve =p
jia9d [2d\]: o15 
]
;B[og]
;W[oi]C[Email [5k\]: ooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooh 15 :O
jia9d [2d\]: this is easy
jia9d [2d\]: an easy move
Bloch [10k\]: that's the move I would have played
Email [5k\]: yeah right :P
jer [4d\]: lol
jer [4d\]: T_T
jer [4d\]: chunga is with me i'm sure
Richdad [5d\]: right, black n13 is dame
Richdad [5d\]: sente is huge, h3 is urgent invasion
USGO5 [-\]: both have used just over 30 minutes
apachai31k [-\]: they began with 2 hours?
chuiunrate: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=jFoczfgjFIA
USGO5 [-\]: or latest Congress tourney info, click on http://usgo.org/congress/2008/
PiQuiz [10k\]: xDDDDDDDDD
chunga [8d\]: M16 looks really bad
USGO5 [-\]: Round-by-Round pairings, running crosstabs and more!
chunga [8d\]: I think it's very difficult for B now
jia9d [2d\]: what is kim's chinese name?
chunga [8d\]: Kim is Korean
Email [5k\]: koreans never lose
chunga [8d\]: If I were B, I would resign this point
jia9d [2d\]: what is his chinese translation
jia9d [2d\]: anyone know?
Istrilyin [1k\]: if i were black OR white i would resign... i'm only 1k
Richdad [5d\]: b failed to make any points besides bottom
jia9d [2d\]: never heard him
Violence [?\]: I think the bottom wasn't so good either
chunga [8d\]: B should have found a way to play P11 or Q11
Violence [?\]: the entire sequence played out and in the end black reaaaally wishes K4 was at J4
jia9d [2d\]: yeah
jia9d [2d\]: that was much better
mitani7: 8p need to give him 4 stone
jia9d [2d\]: or don't make m4 move?
AutoAtari [3k?\]: p5 should be n4
Uberdude [2d\]: right
jia9d [2d\]: what is b thinking?
jia9d [2d\]: 2 hr not that much time
]
;B[mf]C[chunga [8d\]: maybe not 4, but 3 handies, I think
]
;W[le]C[Violence [?\]: does this work?
Violence [?\]: I mean... this atari just seems to do it
jia9d [2d\]: grape shape
jia9d [2d\]: bad
Richdad [5d\]: its a sente fight
Richdad [5d\]: see who gets h3 or c3
jia9d [2d\]: the worst shape 
chunga [8d\]: If W goes D2, this game is over
Uberdude [2d\]: should w d2 or h3?
Cimmerian [3d\]: d2 seems cooler
chunga [8d\]: D2
jia9d [2d\]: have to say they have big difference
Uberdude [2d\]: is that altered by m4?
chunga [8d\]: H3 is unnecessary
Uberdude [2d\]: ok, so lead so simple move
Uberdude [2d\]: but if board is even, still you prefer d2?
Cimmerian [3d\]: m4 does seem to change it tho
chunga [8d\]: yes, D2
Uberdude [2d\]: yes m4 rather than n4 makes h3 a bit harder
jia9d [2d\]: can b make c3 now?
chunga [8d\]: and if B defends, then W gets sente
]
;B[ni]
;W[nj]
;B[nh]C[Bloch [10k\]: another move I would have made :-)
Uberdude [2d\]: btw, thanks for comments chunga
chunga [8d\]: My pleasure!!!
Cimmerian [3d\]: yea, helpful 8d kibbitz is rare
Cimmerian [3d\]: takemeba kibbitz a bit more common
chunga [8d\]: I just tell my opinion, please note that my comments are not always corrent
chunga [8d\]: corrent
chunga [8d\]: correct
Cimmerian [3d\]: 8d doesnt make many mistakes
chunga [8d\]: I hope it's true
jia9d [2d\]: what is next move for white
Nouli [-\]: can black invade R9 area ?
chunga [8d\]: I would just go N10, 
chunga [8d\]: but W could attack harder
chunga [8d\]: W is leading, so W can do a lot of things
chunga [8d\]: many options
jer [4d\]: d2?
chunga [8d\]: I think W is counting
jia9d [2d\]: d2 will bad
jer [4d\]: c3
jia9d [2d\]: i think at this time
jer [4d\]: C2 i mean
jer [4d\]: no
jer [4d\]: d3
jer [4d\]: d2
jer [4d\]: ><
bleep [3d?\]: :)
chunga [8d\]: and thiking if it is enough
jia9d [2d\]: let see 8p move
]
;W[kg]C[bleep [3d?\]: I would play d2 after counting
bleep [3d?\]: ah :)
chunga [8d\]: oh, he decided attack harder
jer [4d\]: ^^^
]
;B[mj]C[bleep [3d?\]: white likes active play
bleep [3d?\]: I guess
]
;W[nk]C[jia9d [2d\]: that is he said harder 
jer [4d\]: think b should just ignore and take w corner
jer [4d\]: take the lead of the game
Uberdude [2d\]: letting an 8p attack though...
jia9d [2d\]: b should find a way to open fight
Uberdude [2d\]: but yeah perhaps on;y chance
jia9d [2d\]: question is where?
jer [4d\]: b can't die, his group is larger than a hand :p
Uberdude [2d\]: m11 seems a bit borring
jer [4d\]: (not really in the computer)
jia9d [2d\]: what is up?
Nouli [-\]: on a 100m² goban, a hand is really small ^^
Violence [?\]: Recording error?
Violence [?\]: then... not a recording error?
jia9d [2d\]: i thought over
jer [4d\]: ^^
jer [4d\]: no stone can die
]
;B[cq]
;W[dq]
;B[dr]C[jer [4d\]: heh
jer [4d\]: i'm so good
jer [4d\]: (love me)
jia9d [2d\]: what is pro thinking now?
jia9d [2d\]: see how pro attacks
jer [4d\]: nothing to attack
olelund [4d\]: is this an even game?
Tsuijin [1d\]: i wanna see a cool probe
GaretJax [6k\]: yes
]
;W[cp]C[AutoAtari [3k?\]: Tsuijin watch South Park episode 101
Pu [1d?\]: lol
shika12 [-\]: *is still cheerin for black*
shika12 [-\]: xingy owes me a game :s
]
;B[br]
;W[bq]
;B[cr]C[Bloch [10k\]: H4
jer [4d\]: b16
]
;W[ro]C[Uberdude [2d\]: b16 or b11?
]
;B[rp]C[jer [4d\]: b11 looks gote
jer [4d\]: b b12 
Uberdude [2d\]: but it is a useful sente
Uberdude [2d\]: good yose
Uberdude [2d\]: compared to if b c10
jer [4d\]: but b get b16
jer [4d\]: corner big
Uberdude [2d\]: not if he answers at b12
jer [4d\]: ...
jer [4d\]: b12 is sente
Uberdude [2d\]: black b12?
USGO5 [-\]: both are at about 1 hour now
Uberdude [2d\]: to white b11?
BlackSmurf [2k\]: after b11 yes
Uberdude [2d\]: after b12 white b16
BlackSmurf [2k\]: then b b10?
Uberdude [2d\]: then c10
BlackSmurf [2k\]: c11
Uberdude [2d\]: b9
Uberdude [2d\]: abd w defend against c10 in sente
Uberdude [2d\]: and got b16
]
;W[li]
;B[mi]C[BlackSmurf [2k\]: i'm sure jer has a better sequence than mine
AutoAtari [3k?\]: then why even play b11?
jer [4d\]: no
]
;W[bi]C[jer [4d\]: ow
jer [4d\]: my god
]
;B[bh]C[Uberdude [2d\]: to make b16 sente
jer [4d\]: :D
BlackSmurf [2k\]: ^^
]
;W[bd]C[jer [4d\]: nooo
Uberdude [2d\]: lol
jer [4d\]: ok you're the master
jer [4d\]: ^^
Uberdude [2d\]: there is the ebst yose
]
;B[bj]
;W[cj]
;B[ci]
;W[bk]C[jer [4d\]: (but kim is weaker than me i'm sure)
chunga [8d\]: W is trying to find a way to win easily
chunga [8d\]: easily meant 
jer [4d\]: w stop thinking hard
chunga [8d\]: without fighting
jer [4d\]: make happy yose
BlackSmurf [2k\]: but isnt b ahead?
slinky [-\]: o.o who is winning?
]
;B[rn]
;W[rm]
;B[so]C[Medscrubs [6k\]: Shika is chemy watchign this irl?
jer [4d\]: hehe
chunga [8d\]: oh, B decided to gamble
jer [4d\]: w got his seconde weak group
jer [4d\]: now b will run
]
;W[aj]C[Medscrubs [6k\]: lol
]
;B[fi]C[slinky [-\]: b has a huge bottom
slinky [-\]: :3
lepore [2d\]: bottom doesn't belong to b yet
slinky [-\]: pffffft!
chunga [8d\]: W can still attack H3 area
slinky [-\]: xliu shall win!
slinky [-\]: ah yes but itll be hard for white
slinky [-\]: !!
chunga [8d\]: and B has 2 weak groups
]
;W[if]C[chunga [8d\]: B decided to gamble 
AutoAtari [3k?\]: she has a huge bottom?
Equitsumei [-\]: w eas y up to now and further. .
]
;B[hf]
;W[ig]
;B[mc]
;W[me]C[chunga [8d\]: B has 3 weak groups now
chunga [8d\]: W can attack H17 too
]
;B[nb]C[mitani7: b lost already
]
;W[oc]C[GaretJax [6k\]: Chunga, 3?
Violence [?\]: I don't think black lost yet
Violence [?\]: but it's a hard game
chunga [8d\]: not over yet
chunga [8d\]: but extremly difficult
GaretJax [6k\]: where is thrid weak group?
]
;B[lh]C[GaretJax [6k\]: C13 and J16 are not going to be pleasant
GaretJax [6k\]: oh
GaretJax [6k\]: the running group
]
;W[hg]C[GaretJax [6k\]: I r smrt.
]
;B[ek]C[ChemBoy613 [-\]: Well, she's doing better than how she sounded :)
]
;W[ip]C[GaretJax [6k\]: hey chem
GaretJax [6k\]: How'd you do?
ChemBoy613 [-\]: loss by self atari :S
GaretJax [6k\]: heh
GaretJax [6k\]: Jon?
ChemBoy613 [-\]: dunno
chunga [8d\]: i think B played well so far, considing she is 7D
ChemBoy613 [-\]: i'm going to clone in our room
Equitsumei [-\]: heh w decides to end with it. . b didn't stand a viable chance
slinky [-\]: chem!
slinky [-\]: who is winning?
ChemBoy613 [-\]: B is really strong :)
slinky [-\]: ><
slinky [-\]: where is the cloned game?
ChemBoy613 [-\]: i like white posistion because n11 stones could be problem
]
;B[iq]C[MChow [3k?\]: in options
slinky [-\]: i know
]
;W[hq]C[slinky [-\]: chem said hed clone a game
Uberdude [2d\]: e9 makes b ladder
]
;B[hp]
;W[io]C[Uberdude [2d\]: so w ladder break to attack?
GaretJax [6k\]: b can just k3 no?
]
;B[jo]C[USGO5 [-\]: no
USGO5 [-\]: sorry
katori15 [5k\]: they just like the ding sound ☺
Medscrubs [6k\]: ^_^
jer [4d\]: g3
jer [4d\]: no
jer [4d\]: don't see good move for w
]
;W[gp]
;B[ho]
;W[in]C[GaretJax [6k\]: USGO5, people are allowed to watch the strong players, right?
krakengo [1k\]: liu is cool
USGO5 [-\]: The door is labeled players only but there are a few observers in the room.  Mostly players between moves who walk around.
]
;B[gq]
;W[hr]C[slinky [-\]: can relitives visit in the strong players room?
]
;B[ir]
;W[gn]
;B[go]
;W[fo]
;B[fp]C[slinky [-\]: ??
]
;W[hn]C[miniangel [11k\]: undo?
]
;B[gp]C[slinky [-\]: no USGO misclicked
miniangel [11k\]: ic
GaretJax [6k\]: So what wants that wall?
apachai31k [-\]: gonna be kill or lose situation soon
GaretJax [6k\]: for the ladder?
slinky [-\]: its game over for black
apachai31k [-\]: ...
mike2096 [5k\]: slinky cant count
]
;W[fj]C[manestor [7k\]: hum
krakengo [1k\]: b under heavy attack
slinky [-\]: -_-
chunga [8d\]: B was greddy, so W decided
manestor [7k\]: f6 counterattack can be severe later
MagicBaby [3d?\]: what
krakengo [1k\]: big trouble... looks desperate
krakengo [1k\]: F6 nothing
slinky [-\]: h11>
slinky [-\]: ?
slinky [-\]: *g11
krakengo [1k\]: w can answer F7 if needed
USGO5 [-\]: w has 1 hour left, b has 51 minutes left
Violence [?\]: a relentless play...
GaretJax [6k\]: maybe w won't be willing to deal with playing slow and Xingshuo can get away with a13, c 13?
GaretJax [6k\]: might as well lose then I guess.
olelund [4d\]: this guy once won the best new player award in korea i think
Violence [?\]: playing A13 and C13 is tantamount to resigning
]
;B[ej]
;W[gj]
;B[eh]
;W[gf]C[kjjdjuire: can b survive?
czy1985 [6k\]: hard
kjjdjuire: w got so much thickness
slinky [-\]: *huggles xliu* she did a good job!
Blockdude [3k\]: slinky, keep your huggles to your self
czy1985 [6k\]: lol
Blockdude [3k\]: xliu: *runs away scared of slinky*
Bloch [10k\]: Is Xingshuo a chick?
]
;B[fg]C[Blockdude [3k\]: i think its a guy O.o
Medscrubs [6k\]: yeah cuz chemy is dating a guy,,pfff...or does he?
Ryuk [5k\]: i thought she was chems finance
]
;W[ff]C[Ryuk [5k\]: *fiance
Enraiha [8k\]: i thought they were both chicks
Tsuijin [1d\]: mmm senseis says mungwan kim is mymy from KGS
Medscrubs [6k\]: she is ryuk.
apachai31k [-\]: j17 worth alto of points >>
uuffy: fantasies...
ChoUsRival [2k\]: http://usgo.org/congress/2008/openplayers.html just go to the link
]
;B[dj]
;W[ic]
;B[hc]C[czy1985 [6k\]: wow b lived
]
;W[ib]C[apachai31k [-\]: not sure that bottom will be enough to win
Enraiha [8k\]: why not h16??
chunga [8d\]: oh, it is over now
Nouli [-\]: J18 ?
Equitsumei [-\]: heh,  done. .
Uberdude [2d\]: moral of the story
Tsuijin [1d\]: emptry triangles end games
Uberdude [2d\]: don't make 3 weak groups against a strong player
Uberdude [2d\]: 2 is bad enough
]
;B[ia]C[chunga [8d\]: B played well thou
]
;W[hd]C[kjjdjuire: nice link
Neospring [4k\]: b all done?
kjjdjuire: resign time
manestor [7k\]: not linking to a living group though
]
;B[hb]
;W[he]C[apachai31k [-\]: :/
Equitsumei [-\]: chun ga, wasn't Myeong Wan pr omoted recently ¿
mitani7: O_O
Cimmerian [3d\]: haha, is either top or side alive
Uberdude [2d\]: someone has learnt the idea from attack and defence =)
Cimmerian [3d\]: god bless attack  &defense
mitani7: :{)
Uberdude [2d\]: ricochet from group to group
Uberdude [2d\]: gobbling up points
Blockdude [3k\]: black can survive
Cimmerian [3d\]: black can survive with one
Uberdude [2d\]: survive miserably
Blockdude [3k\]: no
Blockdude [3k\]: n18
Blockdude [3k\]: makes ko
chunga [8d\]: yes, he became 8P in Korea recently
apachai31k [-\]: painfull enough
Uberdude [2d\]: if he's moved to usa does that mean he won't go to korea for tournaments and stuff?
chunga [8d\]: not for a while
Uberdude [2d\]: teach americans go instead? or a non-go vacation?
Cimmerian [3d\]: whats he doing in america?
chunga [8d\]: but he is willing to teach some studetns near LA area
jer [4d\]: s8
chunga [8d\]: I am kind of his manager but can't say everything about him in public
chunga [8d\]: but I would say he is a gentle man
chunga [8d\]: and would be wonderful teacher
shika12 [-\]: chem update from the floor please!
]
;B[ma]
;W[md]C[Blockdude [3k\]: l19
GaretJax [6k\]: He isn't there for goodness sake
]
;B[lc]C[shika12 [-\]: well yea >.>
uuffy: b still playing...?
apachai31k [-\]: n19 at n16 was better ko
]
;W[oa]C[apachai31k [-\]: b didnt even play the ko though >>
Cimmerian [3d\]: just resign
Blockdude [3k\]: black doenst have to resign now
Blockdude [3k\]: he still has a chan ce
]
;B[ja]C[chunga [8d\]: ^^
]
;W[na]
;B[fb]C[chunga [8d\]: don't understand why B is still playing
]
;W[mb]C[Blockdude [3k\]: beucase he has a chance of surviving
USGO5 [-\]: b resigns
apachai31k [-\]: not really
Blockdude [3k\]: well >.>
slinky [-\]: GO XLIU
Equitsumei [-\]: it's been done for quite a while, and was even before it started . . 
slinky [-\]: *huggles* tell her slinky said she did a good game!
Blockdude [3k\]: that was the most inopportune time to say that
slinky [-\]: :D USGO tell her she did a good game
chunga [8d\]: B did a good job
slinky [-\]: yup yup yup!
apachai31k [-\]: s6 losing move probably
Blockdude [3k\]: slinky...
Uberdude [2d\]: thanks players and recorder
chunga [8d\]: S6 is a gamble
chunga [8d\]: not losing move
USGO5 [-\]: thanks to the players and all the observers!!!
apachai31k [-\]: :/
Cimmerian [3d\]: c14 wa sthe losing move
Equitsumei [-\]: hm , w did nice. ,
chunga [8d\]: convincing win
apachai31k [-\]: was there need for such gamble though
chunga [8d\]: yes, B was behind
Uberdude [2d\]: very nice thick play form w
Uberdude [2d\]: like h13
Uberdude [2d\]: i wish i had the patience and confidence to play such moves
beeko [7k\]: Its going down hill for black
beeko [7k\]: I think those stones are dead are they?
krakengo [1k\]: w very severe
olelund [4d\]: probably just strong
Uberdude [2d\]: black has resigned
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